Last month I did a podcast interview with a member from Nation of Islam about the years of blogging assaults on Islam, Muslims, and Nation of Islam, from blogger Tony Ortega.
I just received the transcripts from our podcast, so I could publish them here. Many thanks and much appreciation to Brenda Rogers for typing it up and polishing it up for the purpose of publishing it here. And keeping it relevant to Tony Ortega’s stalking.
T.O. : What concerns you, if at all, about this fixation Ortega seems to have with Islam and N.O.I.? I Googled “Tony Ortega Nation of Islam” this morning to – About 413,000 results (0.39 seconds)
N.O.I. Member : He has made some efforts to turn us against one another and stir up animosity towards us. However, I think he should concern you more than he does us.
T.O. : I think it does, but why do you say that?
N.O.I. Member: No. This guy takes kicks at us when he can, however, you think about it, … he attacks white people daily. So your people are taking the biggest beating. Laughs.
T.O. : Laughs …. never looked at it that way, O.K..
N.O.I. Member: Laughs …. Give yourself some time to see it for what it is, you, ….. maybe on some level , you knew.
T.O. : But, being from New York, doesn’t it bother you when he goes after your group? New York is a city where you can be what you want to be. It’s famous for that.
N.O.I. Member: No. I mean. Ortega is not not not from New York. He is not a New Yorker. He came up here from the deep south right? Florida?
T.O. : He was down south before he came to New York, Yeah. But he is a Southern California native.
N.O.I. Member: Right. Key word, south. Not unusual for southern folk to stomp on blacks. So, in the big picture he does not stand out for us. Perhaps in Florida he could organize a small posse. However, not here in New York. Not even in Southern California. He has bigger issues with whites. Like I pointed out, he is mainly invested in attacking white people.
You, brought up…. we talked about this, “I am Jane Doe Film”. This has been a situation for decades over here. Black women, Latinos and Puerto Rican women have been exploited and abused for decades in this way. And their children.
N.O.I. Member: Not Muslims. Not Nation of Islam people. you see, huh? The predatory elements extend out to middle America and the suburbs and suddenly it is of national concern.
NOTE _ During the Years Tony Ortega was running the Village Voice Newspaper, it was actually being used as a front group for backpage.com. An on line resource for pimps to engage in human trafficking and sex slavery, and child sex trafficking. See http://www.iamjanedoefilm.com/ for more information.
N.O.I. Member: Who was Ortega preying on, and these investors into that publication, women and children. That is what they were selling. Large scale , huh, I looked at the figures. Village Voice’s Backpage acquired over 90% of their profits from prostitution at about 50 million a year. We’re speaking of roughly two million a month. So, now this is a white community plague. That, you know…. this goes way beyond 110th street in New York. Ortega doesn’t even live in New York anymore. You said he is out in Scarsdale right?
N.O.I. Member: So, No. He is out of the scandal he left behind for New Yorkers. For us. um.. back on topic because I know you tend to rant on this issue, and I know ……
N.O.I. Member: O.K., anyway, He isn’t undermining the Nation Of Islam. He’s undermining the nation of white folk. He has been unemployed for some time is that correct?
T.O.: He was hired a few times for some Internet gigs, well, editing. Those were short lived.
N.O.I. Member: Right, however, for the most part he has been unemployed for years right? So, you can’t live in New York City unemployed. I think,…because you know, you are what they call an “empath”, you ha, you don’t think or calculate through life, you feel through it. Like a blind person on some level.
T.O. : Ouch. Hey………
N.O.I. Member: No. It’s not like that. No. See. Your eyes don’t play tricks on you. See this is what I’m talking about.
N.O.I. Member: So you, you think he is feeling too, when he is just calculating.
T.O. : Tony Ortega?
N.O.I. Member: Right. He was working his way out of a job and he sets up this blog, why? He needed money right? See, he has been hoping someone is going to come along waving a check book, and pay him to go away. This blog it, it was a business investment for him. This is just a businessman.
T.O. : Extortionist? Laughs.
N.O.I. Member: He , he gets angrier all the time. He recently tweeted that there are only 20 thousand members left in that place. His chances for profit, if he, if he can convince them to buy him out and go away……. see? Time is running out. This dude he ….. he’s got another angle here. This is business. And we know he’s running a game. Hey, he is not the only person out here expecting to get paid to go away. These people in the Church of Scientology, asking for money, asking the congregation … no I didn’t say that, …. laughs. Asking the members for money, what are they doing? They are hassling members for money until someone pays them to go away.
So, it’s a trick, a method. It works some of the time. He’s probably, you know, is discouraged because because he’s been at it for a long time, what .. four or five years?
T.O. : Yes.
N.O.I. Member: And, nobody is waving a check book and this, this is probably his source of frustration and anger. Hey, some of his followers, and this, this is way out there. I was directed to that last blurb, where he took on N.O.I., and, huh, he is attacking white people, all day long. Every day all week for most of his journalistic career O.K., and uh, some white lady who seems to live on his blog, she , she is responding to his blog blurb, and she is saying she …. is saying that N.O.I. scares her. Why? We aren’t attacking white people all day long, he is and she is. What if I was, you know, posting on a blog every day doing that because I am a black man, I would be called a menacing racist and….laughs ……. this is what I’m talking about when I say these people, their eyes play tricks on them.
T.O.: Oh, O.K. I get it.
N.O.I. Member: O.K.?
T.O. : I see, right, wow, …………. o.k. .
N.O.I. : Member: O.K..
N.O.I. Member: So, Ortega graduated from California State University, in Fullerton California. That University is designated as a Hispanic-serving institution. A Hispanic-serving institution is an institution participating in a federal funded program to assist colleges or universities in the United States, that assist first generation, majority low income Hispanic students.
T.O. : He claims to be half Mexican. He doesn’t say what the other half is.
N.O.I. Member: Right. His, education …… that was obtained as a Hispanic. And who knows what baggage he brought from California to the East Coast? His father is Mexican then, because of the last name. His mother could be Spanish or any other race. However, growing up in Southern California, it’s not an easy path for Mexicans. Or immigrants or Latinos. And they are exploited by the whites.
T.O. : Exactly. California belonged to Mexico at one time.
N.O.I. Member: Right. So when he took over at the Village Voice, the women and blacks were erased from the , …. taken out of commission there. According to the news links you sent me.
T.O.: Yeah I mean, other news outlets even wrote about it in New York.
N.O.I. Member: Still, the people following him, see, he can make them afraid of N.O.I. while attacking white people every day, and they do not have a problem with him doing that. They prefer it in fact, he is there to “take down” people for them right?
T.O. : Right.
N.O.I. Member: Why would they be afraid of N.O.I.? Where is our history of violence against whites? We have been around since July of 1930. Nearly a century. What have we torn down? Nothing, nobody. They have been spinning for four or five years and lay claim to driving that group so far low there are only twenty thousand survivors.
“I’m of the belief that Scientology is the poisonous tree and anything that falls from it is fruit of the poisonous tree.” Illinois Attorney and mother, posting as “Chee Chalker”. – Tony Ortega supporter and follower.
N.O.I. Member : Why are they afraid of us? Where is our violent history?
T.O.: I don’t recall any.
N.O.I. Member: We are a religious organization and we always have been.
T.O.: So, O.K. so he was attacking N.O.I. before he went after the Scientologists.
N.O.I. Member: Scientologists are a white race right?
T.O. : Ethnically. Yes. In the sense of belonging to a social group that has a common cultural and traditions.
N.O.I. Member: O.K..
T.O. : So how it did it go over when Ortega declared Reverend Farrakhan “A Looney” in the Village Voice ?
“As quite a few have noted, Farrakhan and the so-white-he-glows Hubbard seem an extremely unlikely pairing. But then, both ascribe to pretty outlandish theories of where people come from (look it up, I’m not getting bogged down in that here), and both also are loonier than fruitcakes.” Tony Ortega Village Voice FRIDAY, JULY 1, 2011 AT 10:55 A.M.
N.O.I. Member: I missed that. I wasn’t even aware of it until you sent me your references. But that says more about Ortega than Reverend Farrakhan? That was not journalism and that is why Ortega is not writing for the Washington Post or the New York Times.
N.O.I. Member: To disrespect a this man, Reverend Farrakhan, his wife and children. His Church in that way. Just poor taste and reflects on Ortega’s upbringing. To be disrespectful in that way. Newspapers don’t want that. Poor taste. It did more to hurt Ortega than anyone from N.O.I.. We are a religious group. Not a military group. Ortega is the militant and so are his followers. He is a straight up militant in every sense of the word. His followers fear us? Why? We aren’t the militants in this picture.
T.O. : Right. When he went back to Fullerton and the protesters were outside…
N.O.I. Member: And those were his own people protesting out there. He is not a hero to those University students.
T.O.: Right. But those kids were calling him out on the mat.
N.O.I. Member: Yes. They were ashamed of him.
T.O. : But it didn’t seem to phase him.
N.O.I. Member: Right. However it speaks well for that university. Those young people are educated and aware. Socially conscious and responsible. They are still in school and facing the burdens of fixing things in society that are very wrong.
T.O. : These are interesting times with immigration and Trump , California in particular with Cal Exit and Trump sending in ICE and threatening to with hold federal funding from the state. These are golden opportunities for a professional journalist to really matter. To really do something to help people and use their craft to bring about change and hope. These are hard times for immigrants and Muslims. Ortega follows Trump’s lead and adds to the burden. You mentioned “militant” and I had a hard time wrapping my head around that so, I pulled it up here, the definition and meaning. “A militant person. Combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods.” So, the goal is , “takedown” Scientologists. And I can only assume Nation of Islam is a second target, I see your point.
It is interesting that he, and his followers point to N.O.I. as the militants up for fair game. Having grown up and lived in neighborhoods that always had a population of Muslims in New York. The clean social and living habits and healthy wholesome disciplines of Muslims exceed the Mormons.
N.O.I. Member: True that. But it is not difficult to get people tripping when their eyes and ears play tricks on them. We remain focused on our, our challenges and struggles. When a blogger wakes up in the morning and decides to add to it, …… huh, this, this becomes such a small influence against the weight of our other burdens. We just don’t want to take it there.
Many other positive strides that need to be implemented throughout every single day, for us to survive and overcome. It is easy for us to just embrace that small pain and pass through it. I can’t think of one person I know, who would bother to engage. We never have and never will. He doesn’t see us. His followers do not see us.
T.O.: What do they see?
N.O.I. Member: I can only imagine. Laughs. Their eyes are playing tricks on them. You feel me now?
T.O.: I feel you. Laughs.
N.O.I. Member: Laughs.